Oracle Database Appliance (ODA) Webinar

Enterprise applications are essential to your business. But without the right infrastructure, they can be cumbersome to implement, customize, and manage. With Oracle Database Appliance (ODA), you can remove the typical headaches caused by enterprise applications. ODA is a powerful, plug-and-play infrastructure that can run and optimize your PeopleSoft, EBS, or JD Edwards applications.

Watch Centroid’s webinar to learn how you can save money, increase performance, and optimize your infrastructure with ODA.

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Jennifer Goodri

Hi everyone who’s on, this is Jennifer Goodrich. Thanks for joining a few minutes early. I think we will give everybody a couple minutes more here to join, but if everyone could go on mute during the presentation that would be great. We will have time for questions and answers after.

Speaker 2

Hey.

Jennifer Goodri

Again, thank you to everybody who’s joined so far. We’re going to give everybody else just a couple more minutes, until one o’clock to get the presentation started, but if everybody could go on mute during the presentation that would be great. Then at the end we will have time for questions and answers, so you could take yourself off of mute at that point.

Jennifer Goodri

So, one more time just for those that just joined, thanks everybody for joining. We’re going to give it another minute, or so, for everybody else to join. If you could go on mute until the questions and answers portion of the presentation, that would be greatly appreciated.

Jennifer Goodri

All right Ajay and Mary, I know it’s one o’clock, should we give a couple people a few more minutes, or should we get started?

Ajay Arora

I’m thinking one more minute.

Jennifer Goodri

Okay.

Mary

I had already muted myself, so you couldn’t hear me.

Ajay Arora

Okay, Jen, you’re on.

Jennifer Goodri

All right. Perfect. There might be some people joining a little bit late, so no worries. Thank you to everybody who’s joined so far, we appreciate you guys taking the time out of your afternoon to join this session with Centroid, and Oracle today. Before we get started if I could just remind everybody to go on mute during the presentation, just to try and eliminate any background noise that could be a distraction, that would be greatly appreciated. Then at the end of the session we will have a questions and answers portion, where people can go off of mute and ask any questions that they have.

Jennifer Goodri

If during the session anybody has any questions that they would like to write down, you can send it in the chat, and I can bring that up during the questions and answers session as well. If that’s a little bit easier, so that you don’t forget your question.

Jennifer Goodri

All that being said, we will get started. This is the voice of Jennifer Goodrich. I am a Sales Director here with Centroid, on the phone with us we also have Ajay Arora, who will be doing the technical presentation. He’s one of the managing partners at Centroid. I’ll allow him to introduce himself after.

Jennifer Goodri

Basically, Centroid is an Oracle platinum partner. We work closely with the Oracle teams, the ODA teams, and some of the other teams as well in order to educate our customers on the benefits, and features of the Oracle database appliance, as well as other Oracle technology. For today’s intents and purposes we’re going to review the database appliance, and some of the higher level features and benefits in use cases. We’ll also at a high level go through who Centroid is, but just as a quick background. We just celebrated our 20th year anniversary, always within the Oracle space. I myself, I’m an ex-Oracle employee, as is the majority of our company. So, definitely what we like to call ourselves the experts of Oracle, but are not Oracle.

Jennifer Goodri

All of that being said, we appreciate everyone’s time here today, and as I mentioned for those that just joined if anybody feels like they would like to shoot a question in the chat window, I’d be happy to keep a log of those. Then bring those up doing the questions and answer session. In the interim, if everybody could go on mute, that would be greatly appreciated. So, Ajay I’ll take it off to you to start the presentation.

Ajay Arora

Great. Thanks Jennifer, and thanks everyone for joining the session. Today the session is about apps in a box with a database appliance. We’ll focus on not only you can have custom applications, but we’ll focus more on the Oracle applications. We’ll go into detail, along with a customer use case. Then of course, if there’s any questions we can talk about it, like Jennifer mentioned, at the end of the session as well.

Ajay Arora

What are we going to cover today? We’ll cover again, like Jennifer’s mentioned, who we are. So, give a brief introduction on what Centroid is. What is an ODA? If you have experience with ODA that’s great. For people who are not experienced with ODA, and what ODA does, and where does it fit in the overall engineered system family, we’ll talk about that. What does the ORA family looks like? What are the configurations available? Then the app certifications. We’ll talk about the apps on ODA use case also, and how the customer was able to successfully utilize it. Then followed by some application links, and of course the most important, the Q and A session. The slide deck will be sent to you guys at the end of the session, so you don’t have to … If you want to take notes, that’s great. If you want to take a screenshots and all that, that’s completely on you, but this slide deck will be sent to you afterwards.

Ajay Arora

So, who we are. We’ve been in the Oracle field for over 20, 21 … 22 years now actually, they’re getting there closer. 100% focused on Oracle technology and Oracle applications only. We came into the whole engineered systems, and the appliance since about six years ago. When we started a brand new team, which is focused on engineered systems deployment, and best practices around technology. All 270 employees are focused on one single vendor, that’s Oracle in this case. We are not only just a platinum partner for the last seven years, we are also the Oracle cloud select partner, and also having the top five partners in the Oracle partner community.

Ajay Arora

We do cover complete stack, so starting with Oracle E-Business Suite, and the fusion engineered systems, going in the technology side, OEM, and database slide. So, it’s a complete catalog of our collect we can cover from end to end. Both applications, functionally and technology.

Ajay Arora

We do go deep and wide, so we not only do the consulting services, we also do the resell, and managed services as well. I mean 100% of our clients who are hosted with us, are on Oracle hardware. We do have Oracle hardware in our data centers, along with the latest versions of the Oracle hardware in our lab environments as well. We basically, as one of my partners says, “We cover from apps to item.” In this case not just tech, it’s apps to item because we go from applications, all the way down to the severs and storage layer.

Ajay Arora

We’ve been here, like Jennifer mentioned earlier, we’ve been around for about 20, 21 years. 270 employees, so we need to update that slide, with the headquarters in Detroit, and offices in Dallas, San Francisco, L.A., New York, and Hyderabad. We’ve just opened a new office in Ireland as well, in the EU. We are focused on consulting, managed services, cloud services, and resell of software and hardware. We do cover about 100+ certifications across the 12 different industry specializations, with the apps and technology side.

Ajay Arora

Our goal is for every customer who we engage with, to become a trusted advisor, and suggest them on the right road map. The first customer we started our business with is still one of our customers, so we haven’t lost a customer yet in our tenure. It’s been good so far.

Ajay Arora

That’s on the workforce side. We still need to update the Ireland office, so we’ll update that.

Ajay Arora

This is about me. I’m a Managing Partner responsible for the Cloud Strategy, Enterprise Architecture and Technology Consulting Teams. Feel free to send me a Linkedin, or browse the profile, and things what we have done. Most of my blogs, and also the video chats that we do, along with Oracle are all published on my Linkedin page as well.

Ajay Arora

Okay, so that was all about Centroid. Let’s talk about topic on hand, which is the Oracle database appliance. So, what is it? When we look at the overall database and deployments, we look at multiple challenges, and those challenges are number one, performance. What kind of hardware, or software are in mind when we need to deploy, so we can get the full performance out of the database deployment.

Ajay Arora

The end-to-end-support, not just the database because a lot of the times we have seen basically finger pointing going on between the visualization layers, with the database, and the OS, and then the hardware and firmware underneath. So, when we need to look at holistic approach of end-to-end support for our database deployment.

Ajay Arora

Then how do we do maintenance and patching, which is a very critical task in this case. Overall data protection. Path to cloud. Cloud is not just a buzz word. I mean it has over the last four or five years, it has caught about 18% of the market, and Gardiner’s statement on that is that cloud is the next wave in the IT. We’re almost one or two out of two or three customers, is moving either their non-production or the backup solutions to cloud, if not production. We have luckily our team has been engaged in a lot of engagements, as of today where we are migrating, or actually deploying new workloads from either On-Prem to cloud, or brand new native cloud native workloads also. So, we need to look on the path to cloud.

Ajay Arora

Now, finally of course at the end of the day what’s the cost model for that database deployment look like? When we look at all these pieces … Let’s look at them one by one.

Ajay Arora

For performance side, what does an optimal database deployment looks like? When I look at that our first will be, “Okay, I’m on SSD based storage.” Gone are the days where we want to have a spinning disk, and we want to look at the spindles, look at the cylinders, where we need to actually keep the data on our access windows, our passive retrieval. In necessity which is becoming very, very cheap these days, and it’s in everybody’s reach. So, SSD based storage for database deployment. Also, what we look at the overall hybrid column compression, which is a space and query optimization, with the latest release of firmware on the ODA. The HCC is now certified.

Ajay Arora

Overall, from end-to-end support. Phone home, certified configurations, I don’t have to worry about it. Like Jennifer said, most of us came from Oracle. I can tell when Oracle was not a hardware company we were asked by the customers all the time is, what is a certified configuration for a data warehouse, or things like that. We had to do a lot of analysis, and within Oracle, they look at what the database growth looks like? What the database size looks like, and then give them recommendations from different vendors. Now, if we have a certified configuration, means, let’s say oracle E-Business Suite are people soft. This is what you need, and those certified configurations are now published publicly for everybody to see. So, we don’t have to go, we basically do not fall out of support.

Ajay Arora

Number three is again like I said, there’s a lot of finger pointing going on when you do, do it yourself solution or not, a non-engineered system solution, where basically OVM operating system, firmware, database patches. There’s a lot of moving parts in that. There should not be any single point of failure, and database and the hardware security, I don’t now need to think about it, it should be enabled by default.

Ajay Arora

From the cloud migration, the database should be able to migrate lift and shift easily to database cloud service, or to any cloud provider. Also, I should be able to … Since, we’re going to talk about the engineered systems, it means it comes with a premium price because it’s a bundled solution for absent tech. We should be able to take backups. I don’t want to access the storage for taking backups of the ODA. What we can do to actually utilize the cloud platform available from Oracle, and have it available to ODA for backup purposes.

Ajay Arora

The cost model. The biggest thing is as Oracle is following intel roadmap very closely. So, as intel moves forward, Oracle is keeping with the Chipset, including some of the future releases like X8, and coming out in a couple of days. The overall dependability Chipset, the number of calls coming on a Chipset are increasing by every six months to in a year. If you are applying a database solution today, it’s great in actually deploying that on eight calls, or ten calls. Why do I need to buy 60 calls of the R40, or something like that? Why can’t I do capacity on demand? So, our optimal database can do deployment, needs to look like that as well. Also, while deploying that it should reduce our complete operational effort as well. The operational team should be able to easily and seamlessly pick it up, and go with it. That’s the optimal database deployment looks like.

Ajay Arora

Then we look at, “Okay, how do we achieve it?” Well number one, we can build our own. Absolutely, which we have been doing for quite number of years. Where we, again, there are a lot of choices, it’s multiple vendors. I could have storage from IBM, I could have servers from Cisco, or Dell. I could have virtual firmware. I could have database from Oracle. So, there’s multiple vendors. If there’s a … I mean gone and behold there is a ticket open for any of the performance tuning or some issue, you have to basically … customer is responsible for now opening four tickets with four different vendors, and trying to arrange one between the other, to see where the actual errors are. Those hardware optimizations are great, but those multiple vendor solution is not optimized database.

Ajay Arora

Second, then comes a little bit much easier where vendors recognize the gap in the market. They started deploying what they call a hyperconverged infrastructure, which is basically generic. It’s a complete generic workload consolidations, still multiple vendors, but integration is basically stopping at hypervisor, not at the hardware level anymore. The question is, “Okay, great. It’s multiple workloads, but is it optimizing database?” Does it have specific features that it can actually help the database to run faster? The answer is no, and because of the gap in the market to look from Oracles perspective, to get an appliance which has a good entry point, they looked at the overall engineered systems.

Ajay Arora

ODA, where Oracle database appliance. We’ll talk about it, and what a engineered system is, but it actually starts with the basic entry point into the engineered systems market. It’s a fully integrated hardware and software solution built for databases, but overall if you look at the ODA itself, there is much more capacity, and capability available. So, with the X4, and X5 Family of ODAs, Oracle decided to actually virtualize the ODA as well. We’ll look at it in a second, so that I can actually go host the applications and database on the same appliance. It becomes a turnkey solution, especially for the ISV’s, which were trying to bundle the application and database together. Now and again put that in a single appliance, and shift the appliance very easily to different locations.

Ajay Arora

With that let’s look at what’s available in the ODA. The entry point is a single UM which is called the X7-2S, which is a small model. It starts with the 10 cores, it’s now available virtualizer as well, supports the Oracle database, standard and enterprise editions. If that fits your need, and this is all SSD based.

Ajay Arora

If this does not fit the need then we can go to the next level, which the high performance X7-2, which is the medium. It went from 10 cores to 36 cores, application, virtualization is all available, and supports Oracle enterprise edition, and the standard edition. Some customers would like to ask me not just one node database cluster, they want to run two node database cluster, or more. Well, for more you’ve got to go into the higher level of engineered systems. When two node clusters, Oracle did introduce a new model called X7-2-HA. There are two nodes available, it’s rack, or rack one, which ever you want to use, it’s available to you. Overall, the main perspective is that it’s a rack, not only just in a database appliance, it’s a rack in a box. I remember my days of being it being pain. When we start to screw up the rack severs, or the paddle servers, trying to do the cabling was a nightmare. This is all pre-labeled also, so when you get it, you get three different, or four different pieces depending on how much you ordered, and it basically says, “Insert cable, one here, and insert cable to there.” Has a full labeled cable diagram, so you can get a rack opponent in a matter of some hours.

Ajay Arora

From the configurations’ perspective there are two configurations available. Of course, bare metal that has been available from day one, but like I said X4 and X5 version forward, they start also shipping with virtualization, which is OVM. In OVM, why OVM, and what’s the benefit of it? I can actually now slice and dice my application tier and database tier. I can actually control how many CPU, or cores I need to give to the application tier, and the database tier. Each node in the HA cluster mode, or a ODA mode. I have two nodes which have DOM 0, and also ODA base which runs the overall appliance manager. It runs the Oracle database and the Oracle Grid infrastructure also. DOM 0 is what gives us access to our firmware, and the hardware level, and also gives us access to other domains, which host the Guest VM’s.

Ajay Arora

I am able to create an appliance very easily, by using this terminology where I can have a single node, or two node database cluster, multiple application VM’s, as long as we can predict the storage, and the compute. Sorry. Also, look at how we going to deploy it by using Oracle Grid infrastructure, and database. The best part of this is, all the bundle patches that come for ODA, they have patches for everything from top to bottom. Starting from firmware, to the hardware, to the operating system, to the OVM, and then the grid and the database. It keeps up-to-date, 18.2 was just released on an ODA a couple of days ago. There’s a one off patch, where you can 18.2 available on the ODA, if you want to have 18.2 database up and running. It gives you complete flexibility also.

Ajay Arora

Some of the benefits like I talked about the virtualization is, we have now the database, and the applications on this appliance. We used to worry about, “Okay. I don’t have a bigger footprint, I don’t need 10 application servers. I don’t need a two or four node cluster. My application is very small, or a decent sized appliance. I can put it next to the database. In this case there’s a hardware solution available, which can actually put the database, and the applications on the same box itself. There’s a complete capacity on demand available, which means I can scale up, or scale down, for both database and appliances depending on my growth, or the business demands.

Ajay Arora

The Oracle applications are certified for HA deployment on the ODA. We’ll talk about that in one of the slides, which talks about how ODAs are available with the HA commands, for what EBS and for PC software. The best part is, we talked about multiple moving piece, but when I look at the overall ROI on this, if you have a commodity hardware, and you buy Red Hat, Linux, or you buy VM’s by themselves, now everything is included. The Oracle VM, Oracle Enterprise Linux, that licensing are included within the ODA for all the Guests you want to create on the ODA itself. Like I said earlier within a matter of hours we can have the ODA with a full two node rack cluster, virtualized, and application running on it in a couple of hours. So, it makes it faster, easier to deploy, and also becomes a dream come true specifically for the vendors who are trying shift bundled applications with a database, and applications on a same box because now we can actually do it in a more certified fashion.

Ajay Arora

I’ll take an example of apps on an ODA, especially your E-Business Suite. This is one of the examples. We can actually, like we said, DOM 0 has the VM repository, and it gives access to the firmware as well. Then ODA based appliance, the ODA Base actually has the OAKCLI, the appliance manager, the grid infrastructure, the ASM instance, the database file system, which the ACFS file system available, and a full, either a rack or a single node, or rack zero available as well. Then you can have one, or many EBS applications DM’s on top of it. I’ll give you guys links of where these diagrams came from, what’s the process behind it.

Ajay Arora

So, let’s talk about one of the customers who was our customers based out of Michigan. They had applications and databases on different servers running AX platform, and they were looking to refresh it. We’ve suggested them to one ODA as an environment for production, DR test and their core ODA, the DR and the QA will exist on one ODA, and production by itself. So, that only we are able to now in the ODA. Now we are able to host database, but also the application servers, and the multiple copies of the application tier are now existing on the ODA itself. It makes our life much easier because from the ODA to ODA, we can use data refreshes, and from the application tier.

Ajay Arora

I can take an ODM machine and bring it management it on the either, and either it, or do a sync, or just import that in, which makes life much, much easier, and also since we had a three-tier approach, we can actually pass the environments separately without impacting production. Production will be the last moment to patch, and these are all similar same version, so if they’re gonna find something, before it hits the production environment. This the actually physical explanation of the ODA, where we actually look at what are the database on the bottom there the database is running for the EVS and the app nodes, and also we wanna have a separate VM to run when other tasks for E-Business Suite for example some people who like to have a confirmed manager separate severs, absolutely you can do that now, and we can slice and dice how many virtual Cps were assigned to each application tier. Once we testing into product, then we will be shutting it down, and the last one is of course the DN and the as well.

Ajay Arora

I just took an example of E-Business Suite on an ODA. You also have the white paper available, which is called solution in box, where you can have the E-Business Suite on a ODA, the PeopleSoft on ODA, and J D Edwards on an ODA as well. It’s a full explanation about 18-20 pages per white paper, about how to set it up, what does ODA brings to you in that environment, and what are the options.

Ajay Arora

I ran through that. So, now that gives us an ample amount of time for the Q and A sessions. Overall, basically ODA is a nice engineered solution level, entry level. It does not have special sauce like what X-data brings to the table, but it actually is a very nice entry level, and also for the rack cluster it’s three cabled. We don’t need to cable it again, or do some funky stuff. We used to do that earlier. Now, everything is available right out of the box, and within a few hours I can have a full ODA up and running with a default database. Then we can start migrating data and application tier on top of it.

Ajay Arora

So Jen, any questions on the chat window?

Jennifer Goodri

No questions that I can see so far, but since we have some extra time there was one point that I was hoping to hit home, or focus on as well, which is the cost savings of an engineered system. I know Ajay went through some of it, but just as a summary. Basically, when it comes to database licenses you can often see a large cost savings on the licensing side from Oracle. We all know that Oracle licensing isn’t cheap, but by being able to only light up, and license the amount of cores that you require for your workload, instead of having to license the entire hardware box. We often see clients saving a lot of money there, as well as with the Linux, and virtualization licenses, and support being included with the purchase of the hardware. We often some from a TCO, or an ORI perspective, a lot of bating’s on those two sides as well. Overall, between the operating system, the virtualization layer, and the database layer, is usually where you see a lot of the cost savings.

Ajay Arora

Absolutely.

Jennifer Goodri

Go ahead.

Ajay Arora

No, that’s fine, go ahead.

Jennifer Goodri

I was just going to say, one thing I forgot to mention at the beginning is that in terms of follow up from this session, as Ajay mentioned. We’ll be sending out both the slide deck as well as the recording of this session. Then from Centroids perspective depending on what region you sit on, and that you sit in within the US, a representative from Centroid, whoever covers that region, will be following up individually to make sure that you don’t want to … If you want to set up a one-off follow up session, and continue the conversation as it pertains to your specific environment, and requirements. Basically, there will be a followup from a rep within Centroid.

Ajay Arora

So, there’s a question on the chat window. Can you activate only a subset of cores on the lower models of X7, other than the HA model? Absolutely, yes you can.

Ajay Arora

The minimum node requirements for the X7-2S, is two cores, and M is a four cores. That’s the minimum requirements, so absolutely you can actually activate any number of cores, as long as you meet the minimum requirement.

Ajay Arora

You’re welcome Eric.

Jennifer Goodri

I see a second question as well. The question is, with the purchase of hardware is configuration, and setup covered, or the customer has to take care of those two things themselves. Ajay, if you don’t mind me answering. Basically, the configuration and the installation is sold separately by Oracle, but that is also a service that Centroid provides. If you were to work with Centroid on architecting an ODA solution for your organization, Centroid can come in and do … We do these day-in and day-out, so we definitely have the expertise level. We can do the rack and stack config, and installation, and then hand it off to you guys, ready to go for your database migration.

Ajay Arora

Yeah, and we do have the same ODAs in our lab as well. What we prefer to have one of the customers with us, so that they can actually learn how the ODAs set up, so they can do it by themselves in future their self.

Ajay Arora

[Baljeet] has a question about, how the Oracle database license works, as we may be using only subset of cores. Absolutely. So, Baljeet, whatever the number of cores are activated, that’s the only number of licensing you need. You do not need to license the full ODA, or all the cores in the ODA itself. That’s the end point, most of the customers have taken who have deployed an ODA, is out of the X8 and the X7, with the 72 cores, 12-14 cores for the database, and rest everything goes to the application VM’s. You can have whichever way you want.

Jennifer Goodri

To add to that a little bit Ajay as an example. Let’s say for example you decided to run eight cores on an ODA, given the intel core calculation being point five licenses needed per core, you would only need four database licenses … Sorry, four database licenses for an eight core running on an ODA. That’s the mathematical equation behind it, if it made sense?

Ajay Arora

Yeah. So, Chris has another question. Is the ODA a good platform for entry level data nodes, or data warehouses? Absolutely, and Chris we’ll be more than happy to help you on the looking at the AWR analysis, or what’s your looks like, but yes overall for the general purposes and even for high performance available on the ODA, it can affect the needs of a customer database deployment quite easily.

Ajay Arora

Brian has a question about, do we need to purchase Red Hat? No, you do not need to purchase like Linux licenses Brian anymore, ODA does come with Oracle VM, and also Enterprise services, including the support. That’s part of the ODA hardware bundle itself.

Ajay Arora

Okay, I’m ready with a question. Has ODA and Exodar interchangeable? Okay, that’s a question we’ve been asked a lot. So, ODA like I mentioned earlier, on multiple times I talked about. So, ODAs an entry level, very entry level in the systems. It does not have secret sauce, or the x8 storage sauce, which actually has the database running on the storage servers. It’s an entry level database, rather high level, or HA rack cluster database. Oracle is certifying some of the pieces that’s available on Exodar, and ODA. Like when we used to talk about the capacity on demand, and also the FCC, so hybrid column capacity is the second thing that has come from X8 onto the ODA.

Ajay Arora

At this point, Exodar is very tailored for high performance, or consolidation, or high performance database platforms, which needs more than two nodes, and unfortunately for ODA the limit is two nodes. That’s the maximum you will get on all these rack and stack multiple together to make a single cluster. It’s one ODA by itself, so if your demand is very high performance consolidation, and you want to use the overall Exodar storage software, then yes you would start with X-data, otherwise for the general purpose database workloads, and applications you’re going to use ODA very easily.

Ajay Arora

Can you describe roughly how many customers purchase SM and HA model by percentage? We don’t have the answer to that, we can certainly get it from Oracle, Jonathon, but most of the customers who are deploying ODAs are going mostly with the HA units. The SM and N model are mostly for customer or ISVs, who are actually bundling the application and database together, and shipping it to, let’s say, warehouses, and things like that. Where very small footprint, 1U to 2U, and everything in the box is a good fit. We don’t have the breakdown of what the person digits are, we can certainly ask Oracle the same question.

Ajay Arora

[Seyad’s] question is, Is table partition included, or is converse separate service? Now, table partitioning is a database option, whether you’re running on commodity hardware ODA, or X-Data? It’s a separate licensable product, so you have to buy it depending on how many cores the database is deploying on.

Ajay Arora

Can you use ODA for managed … Brian’s question is, can you use ODA for poor man’s DR type solution? Absolutely. We have some customers who have actually either their own commodity hardware, or Exodar’s, and they are using ODA as their DR solution. It’s not Apples to Apples. It won’t give you the same performance as an Exodar, or your very tailored hardware, but ODA itself is right out of the box. Can at least fit the need, and you can actually do a capacity on demand, so you don’t have to spin up all 72 cores for the database. You can actually do minimum number of cores required to have a database in a pilot light mode. Absolutely, Brian.

Ajay Arora

Okay.

Ajay Arora

Okay, sorry. Kurt’s question is, if you want the X7-S. Okay, Kurt. I don’t know whether it’s a question, or you’re making a statement. Okay, thanks Kurt. That’s true.

Ajay Arora

Okay. Any live questions we could answer?

Ajay Arora

Okay, Jen.

Jennifer Goodri

Awesome, so thank you again to everybody for joining today’s session, and as we mentioned we will all be following up, and seeing if you’d like to continue the conversation further. So, hope you all have a great rest of your day.

Ajay Arora

Thanks everyone for joining.

Jennifer Goodri

Thanks Ajay.

Ajay Arora

No problem.

Jennifer Goodri

Thank you.